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  LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

  by You Know in

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  as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.

  one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.

  " typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.

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  Are we done with this thread, BJC2012? / You Know
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  Ways To Advertise "Wtchtwr Hides Child Mol...

  by Frank in

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  can you beat these easy ideas?.

  to advertise "watchtower society hides child molestors www.silentlambs.org" try the following:.

  get a piece of cardboard or other paper, print on it the message in large red letters, place in back of your car-truck-van window.

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  That's hilarious. I bet some of these people will take your sarcasm seriously. You were joking, right? / You Know
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  Incidents of violent crime plummeted nearly 15 %

  by apostate in

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  i read this in the news on cnn's website today.

  will the watchtower set it's dooms day clock back a few minutes?

  what dou you think?.

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  I read this in the news on CNN's website today. Will the Watchtower set it's dooms day clock back a few minutes? What dou you think?

  No, the doomsday clock is calibrated precisely. In actuality the lawlessness the Christ said would be increasing, in all probabiltiy, has to do with apostasy. So, you see, it is much later than you think! / You Know

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  LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

  by You Know in

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  as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.

  one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.

  " typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.

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  The “initial phase” of the great tribulation? Where does the Bible say that the tribulation will be divided into phases?

  Jesus said it at Matthew 24:29: "Immediately after the tribulation in those days the sun will be darkened....and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven." So the initial phase of the tribulation is the cataclyism that comes upon the entire inhabited earth and causes men to faint with fear in expectation of further calamity. As a result of that initial blow the governments, or the powers of the heavens as Jesus cryptically referred to them, will collapse. After that, though, Christ is revealed and Armageddon ensues. So there most definetly are two distinct phases leading up to the end of the world.

  If his disciples have to flee and the whole world is in turmoil, where will they be able to flee?

  There will not be any literal place to flee to. That's the point. Only Jehovah will become a refuge for the faithful. Any one trusting in man will be doomed.

  The tribulation is upon everyone according to your theory.

  Correct. It is more than just a theory, as I have pointed out to you repeatedly, at Luke 21:35 Jesus said that the tribulation will commence "suddenly, instantly" and "it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth."

  Also the fact that he also said “on account of the chosen ones, these days will be cut short” shows that they are the ones directly affected. Or, are you saying that Jehovah cares nothing for the world of mankind, only JWs?

  You are the one who quoted the verse. Obviously Jehovah cares a great deal for his chosen ones, and because of his love for them, the world gets a temporary stay of execution from the initial phase of the tribulation.

  JWs believe that they have preached a message to the world that is sufficient to condemn them.

  No. The truth is we believe we have preached a message capable of saving whoever puts faith in Jehovah's saving power.

  But, the message that they have preached is a very contradictory one. It is fraught with untruths, the 1914 lie being the most egregious one.

  Obviously if the tribulation erupts in the near term then the 1914 issue will be settled. The tribulation, after all, is the culmination of Christ's invisible presence, so the tribulation will verify the fact that Jesus had long been present during the last days leading up to the finale.

  Jehovah is not going to judge the whole world based on such a message.

  Correct. The world is judged by how the respond to the crisis of the tribulation. Those who support Christ's beleaguered brothers and that refuse to compromise with the beast will be saved. Those who follow the numerous false Christs, and who don't recognize Christ's brothers, and that align themselves with the revived beast to save their necks will be doomed. That's the basis for judgment. So while no one is going to be judged by how they might view our message now, no doubt our faith will be the basis for the salvation yet to be revealed.

  And don’t you think that this people will get away before being taught a lesson to not lie in Jehovah’s name.

  I have written extensively on how God will discipline his people and rectify our errors.

  You make it sound like an accidental brush with the great tribulation.

  I don't know where you get that idea. Our organization is going to get wasted. I have posted numerous pieces on that in this forum and elsewhere.

  Why would Jehovah execute divine punishment upon the world before he punishes his own name people for their apostasies?

  Again, you apparently don't understand what the tribulation is and how it comes about. Just as you cited the Assyrians and Babylonians, how they were human institutions that were merely used as God's punishing agents, so too, the tribulation will not appear as a divine punishment. It is a human catastrophe that God merely uses to refine his organization. But once that occurs, then God uses that same organization in a much greater way during the remaining part of the tribulation. All the while the world will be trying to humanly solve a situation for which there is "no way out."

  How does one observe ‘in a sense'?

  Most of the world couldn't really care less about Jehovah's Witnesses one way or the other. But, when we are laid low, from God's standpoint it will serve notice that he has spanked us. The world won't see it that way at all, because if they did they would have to acknowledge that Jehovah is our God, the One who scourges his own beloved ones. They will take it as a sign that we were frauds from the get-go.

  Please explain how the nations can be humiliating and reproaching Israel if they, at the same time, are themselves being trampled?

  After the initial phase of the tribulation is past, it may appear that the UN has saved the day---momentarily. So there may well be some interim of relative peace before Armageddon. One thing is for certain though, the scene of the world is definitely going to change after America gets toasted. The UN will take on the character of the former Soviet empire. Much worse in fact because there will be no one to check his hand. So he will be doing a lot of trampling. Genocide really. Basically though it ain't worth it for me to go in to all the prophecies that have a bearing on this just to win an argument. I do though think those verses you quoted apply to us, just not in the same manner as you do apparently.

  Could this ‘bad report’ begin with the probe by Dateline into the pedophile problem in the organization?

  You gotta be kidding? Tabloid journalism is nothing but gossip. We are going to really get it a lot worse than that.

  So true, because you are not looking at it the way Jehovah does. Your leaders are so determined that nothing bad will happen to JWs that they choose to close their eyes to the real application of the scriptures.

  I agree totally.

  They say: ‘everything good will happen us and everything bad will happen to them (Christendom, I guess).’ The bible will be fulfilled entirely upon JWs, the ones called by God’s personal name, or ‘the city upon which my name is called.’ You can’t make this fit Christendom.

  Yes, you are absolutely correct.

  If Jehovah dissolves your covenant with death, have you any idea what that means? Some of you will be killed during the great tribulation in spite of what the WTS teaches.

  If I had no idea what it meant I would not have said it. Jesus plainly said that we would be delivered up to death. And Revelation 6:11 says: "Until the number was filled also of their brothers who were about to be killed..." / You Know
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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  I know I could be completely off base, but just the same, I wonder. Is there anything creative that, in your secret heart and wildest dreams, you've ever thought of doing?

  It is not unusual for various posters to try to psychoanalysis me. It's all part of the amusement. Creatively though, I write songs, not prolifically, but that's been my creative outlet since I was a teen. I use to try to sell them but I gave up on that many years ago. I always wanted to have a music studio and put together songs by myself or invite musically talented brothers to sit in on sessions. I just can't bring myself to spend the money on something so self-indulgent. I try to stay out of music stores cause I can get pretty wide-eyed looking at all that neat stuff. / You Know
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  Rutherfordian Science

  by AlanF in

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  the wise man j. f. rutherford wrote about the "cause of the flood" in his 1927 book creation (pp.

  here he informed us of "jehovah's" view of the scientific "annular flood theory" of one isaac newton vail, which the watchtower society had been promoting for decades:.

  annular means that which has the form of a ring, or ring-shaped.

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  You Know is definitely on a level with Rutherford. Same quackery no matter what field he strays into.

  Sort of like when stray off into the Bible I suppose. LOL, Actually, my favorite fraud of yours, a classic really, was your theory that all the preserved mammoths originally met their doom by clumsily stumbling into pits of tar! Talk about "straying off." That was hilarious man. / You Know
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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  I am not "ignored." I am treated like everyone else. I am just a normal person, or at least I try to be. / You Know
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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  To JT:

  as always I love your post mainly because i realize it reflects your only opportunity to be heard.

  That's not true. There are other avenues that I use to teach others. This is just one venue.

  We will never shut you out or not listen to unlike your so call bro and sis.

  Nonsense. Apostates have been trying for years to deal with me, unsuccessfully I might add. Threats and blackmail, withering ridicule, reviling, slander, "ignore YK" campaigns, and various attempts at befriending me, all have been used in an effort to discourage and discredit me. You just can't best me, that's all.

  but in the end all the friends just laughed at him- pretty much like the bro in your hall must do you.

  I am not aware of anyone not respecting me in my present congregation, not that it makes any difference to me. A few elders in the congregation where I originally began partaking couldn't handle it, and tried to make me recant my calling, but they have long since faded from my rear-view mirror. Most now don't even know. Only a few in my new congregation know of my hope. I don't talk about it or call attention to it. I don't on this forum either. I have mentioned it a time or two, but it is apostates that have insisted on making an issue of it. But that's okay. It is sort of a novelty I suppose.

  he was sorta like you A WANTA BE "Heavy"

  I think it's hilarious that you imagine that you know me. You don't. As for my supposed ambition to be a "heavy," I am, perhaps for the first time in my life, completely content with who and what I am. I have absolutely zero ambitions as far as holding a position in the congregation. I go to the meetings and lay low and try to seek out the lowly and depressed souls and those on the fringes of the flock to comfort them. If I do have any ambition at all it is to be seen by Jehovah as "a man after his own heart."

  so when i read your post i just get a smile on my face thinking here is a guy who despite all his post and comments still don't realize tha the very org he defends would kick him out on his A$$ if he started to express the same views he shares with us

  If I started to teach privately in the congregation, yes, there would be a problem, for obvious reasons; but I do regularly share my views with brothers at Bethel, and much more than what you get. So far they have not tried to muzzle me.

  it is very sad to see a jw who has been REDUCED to having to share his most heart felt beliefs and views only with "Apoststes" cause we are the only ones who will listen to him-

  Let me reiterate: This forum pretty much gets the chaff. I wouldn't dare dream of giving you the good stuff. As for being "reduced," the only thing I am reduced to doing is waiting on Jehovah. I am more or less just killing time. This forum is like a hobby for me; a little amusement and pastime. Nothing more. And, if someone really wants a reason to have faith in the truth, then that's who I post for. But, I am convinced, that as Jesus said, the things that are now only whispered among a few of us, will eventually be shouted from the rooftops.

  you see guys like you are good for cutting the grass at the hall and no more - whether you want to accept that or nor i could care less

  I do whatever the brothers ask of me. Actually, that is my favorite thing to do. I love landscaping and gardening. As a matter of fact, I just volunteered to take charge of the kingdom hall's lawn upkeep. At times I wish I could stay down here with my friends and tend to Jehovah's garden.

  if there is one thing i learned while in wt is that wt is a position driven org and guys like you with no title are viewed as :half a man-

  I am sure that's true with some. No doubt it was true of you. But as I said, I am totally secure with myself. And, if any are inclined to look down on me, I take the attitude of Pau,l who said he took delight in insults. It's all a part of filling up the full measure of the suffering of Christ in the composite body of Christ. And, eventually, obviously soon, Jehovah is going to make the first last and the last first. That judgment will turn the tables completely, whereas the high and mighty will be abased and the lowly brothers and sisters will shine as brightly as the sun in Jehovah's kingdom, and lead the many into the full truth.

  I'm glad you are here- you serve as a constant reminder of why a person made the right choice to leave wt and the funny part is YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT

  And you serve a similar pupose for me; a constant reminder of just how precious genuine faith is. When I see how absolutely impotent the opposers of the truth really are, my faith and trust in Jehovah's word becomes all the more stronger---as strong as Samson in a spiritual way. As Paul said: 'I am a debtor to even senseless ones.' Thanks again. Sincerely / You Know
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  An Example of JW Need2Get a Life

  by JT in

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  we have often times seen jw come here and say:.

  why don't you guys get a life- well here is a perfect example of a group of folks who need to get a life.

  while many of us left wt and have gone on to college and gotten jobs where we are able to provide these things for ourselves and our famiies poor jw are sitting around waiting to cash in thier new system coupon in order to get these things.

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  You would have us believe that you have moved on a gotten a life would you? Then why do you spend your time lurking in the shadows spying on Jehovah's Witnesses. You are the one who is obviously in need of "getting a life." Have you ever thought of clown camp? Click here>>>>>>>> http://www.uwlax.edu/clowncamp/chofind.htm